{"id":979,"date":"2017-10-10T15:51:28","date_gmt":"2017-10-10T20:51:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/taocompliance.com\/?p=979"},"modified":"2017-10-10T15:51:28","modified_gmt":"2017-10-10T20:51:28","slug":"ragagep-hierarchy-in-application-a-worked-example","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/taocompliance.com\/?p=979","title":{"rendered":"RAGAGEP Hierarchy in Application &#8211; A worked example"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">RAGAGEP (Recognized and Generally Accepted Good Engineering Practices\/Principles) is extremely important to our Process Safety programs as it helps define the boundaries of what is (and isn\u2019t) acceptable in our processes and our management of them. There seems to be some confusion in a significant portion of the industry as to how to practically apply RAGAGEP* so I thought a brief discussion (and worked example) might be useful.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Let\u2019s say that we have multiple possible RAGAGEP\u2019s for a single item \u2013 such as relief valve replacement schedule. Those multiple RAGAGEP\u2019s may well have differing requirements so we will need to rank them to understand what we actually need to do. Here\u2019s an example RAGAGEP listing from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.osha.gov\/pls\/oshaweb\/owadisp.show_document?p_table=INTERPRETATIONS&amp;p_id=30785\">OSHA<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ol style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<li>Codes adopted by the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) such as IMC\/UMC<\/li>\n<li>Consensus Standards such as IIAR or ASHRAE<\/li>\n<li>Non-consensus documents such as Pamphlets \/ Bulletins from industry organizations<\/li>\n<li>Internal Standards such as your corporate policy<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">What isn\u2019t on that list is <strong>manufacturer\u2019s recommendations<\/strong> and there\u2019s a reason why. The things listed above <strong>set<\/strong> the RAGAGEP and the manufacturer\u2019s recommendations can <em>modify<\/em> it.**<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">There are generally two ways to modify something: make it more or less restrictive.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify; padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>More:<\/strong> In the event that the manufacturer gives you a recommendation that is more restrictive (conservative) than the RAGAGEP, you <strong>must<\/strong>*** accept that more restrictive recommendation.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify; padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Less:<\/strong> If the manufacturer gives you a recommendation that is less restrictive than the RAGAGEP, you <strong>can<\/strong> accept that less restrictive recommendation, but you will need to document why you believe that the manufacturer\u2019s recommendation is <strong>superior<\/strong> to the existing RAGAGEP.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In a recent <a href=\"http:\/\/rce-chill.com\/the-cyrus-shank-lq-series-relief-valves-a-discussion-on-manufacturers-recommendations-and-the-5-year-pressure-relief-valve-interval\/\">article<\/a>\u00a0on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rce-chill.com\">RCE-Chill<\/a>, we discussed the replacement schedule for a relief valve that relieves back into the system. The codes reference the consensus standards, which in turn reference some non-consensus bulletins. The bulletin in question, IIAR B110 says that these valves are <strong>not<\/strong> subject to the 5yr changeout frequency that other relief valves are. Yet, we have an email from Cyrus Shank\u2019s engineering department that still recommends the 5yr changeout schedule.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In this case, we have a disagreement between the non-consensus bulletin and the manufacturer\u2019s recommendation. Put another way, we have a <em>generic<\/em> recommendation on relief valve changeout versus a manufacturer <em>specific <\/em>recommendation. Obviously, the manufacturer\u2019s <em>specific <\/em>recommendation on <strong>their valves<\/strong> overrides the <em>generic<\/em> recommendation about all relief valves. Therefore, as long as we are going to use these <em>specific<\/em> valves, we need to follow the manufacturer&#8217;s recommendation. ***<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">*It\u2019s important to understand that we\u2019re talking about what RAGAGEP decision is the most defensible during an inspection \/ audit.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">** In 1910.119(j)(4)(iii) manufacturer&#8217;s recommendations are explicitly called out\u00a0<strong>in conjunction<\/strong> with <em>good engineering practices<\/em> to set inspection\/testing frequency, but the point still holds true.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">*** It\u2019s theoretically possible that you can make the engineering case that you know more about the manufacturer\u2019s equipment as it operates in your process than they do, so you can override their recommendation. One method that&#8217;s routinely used is to choose an alternative way to achieve the same goals &#8211; one where you can show the engineering rationale to prove your alternative is\u00a0<strong>as safe<\/strong> or\u00a0<strong>safer<\/strong>. A common example of that would be replacing the oil based on regular oil analysis rather than changing it out at a specific hour interval. Of course, such a change would have to be thoroughly documented through your Management of Change procedure.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>RAGAGEP (Recognized and Generally Accepted Good Engineering Practices\/Principles) is extremely important to our Process Safety programs as it helps define the boundaries of what is (and isn\u2019t) acceptable in our processes and our management of them. 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